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in the 1930s President Franklin Delano

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Roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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Fireside Chats his aim was to reassure

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the common man that our society would

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recover from its troubled times well

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we're far from 1930 and I deal with a

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different kind of fire for a new era of

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worldly frustration we offer a fresh

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conversation I'm Greg carlwood and these

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are the higher side chats

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brace yourself for another wild ride

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from Sunny San Diego I'm Greg carlwood

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and right now it feels as if we have

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enough political scandals and Corruption

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sagas to last us a lifetime but just

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beyond the big circus clown show there

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are mysterious paranormal places and

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strange beings that continue to defy

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logic are they helping us hurting us

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taking our children extracting our

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genetic material Guardians of the forest

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beings from beneath the surface left

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over energy from occultist that didn't

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close the ritual right or life forms

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clawing their way into this Dimension

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from somewhere else have they made deals

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with a Capstone cabal or do they see no

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need we hear all sorts of perspectives

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from all sorts of experiences and

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researchers and it feels like you can

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still make a good case for all these

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things and more and of all the hotbeds

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for such activity none is quite as well

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known or well studied as the infamous

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Skinwalker Ranch in Utah well today

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we're talking once again to the man who

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owns a property that neighbors

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Skinwalker Ranch has hosted members of

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the visible College on their research

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trips including Jacques filet and has

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been conducting his own research into

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what's going on in this strange

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landscape why government scientists

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steep State contractors occultists

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aerospace engineers are so preoccupied

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with it and what they might know about

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it he's the host of the hero paranormal

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podcast and since we last spoke on air

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in 2019 he's learned a lot more about

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the place and even started his own

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company space Wolf Research LLC he's

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written a lot about the area in his

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books the Utah UFO Ranch and

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shapeshifter territory and I'm certainly

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psyched to dive back in and get an

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update from our man on the ground the

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Skinwalker Ranch researcher hero

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paranormal podcaster and certified space

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thank you Greg and appreciate the

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wonderful introduction man can't be beat

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love those introductions thank you thank

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you this is great man our first

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interview was back in the much simpler

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world of 2019 and since that time you

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have been kind enough to send me little

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bits of information here and there and

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we even have you to thank for a couple

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of the paranormally shows we've done

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since then with people like Ryan

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Musgrave Evans and Trey Hudson so thanks

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for that back in 2019 there wasn't a

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show about it yet and the Skinwalker

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Ranch was just in the process of

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changing hands although actually this

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seems to have happened much earlier

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according to the wiki in 2016 Bigelow

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sold Skinwalker Ranch to adamantium real

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estate LLC which you did tell us and

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then after this purchase roads leading

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to the ranch were blocked and the

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perimeter was guarded by cameras and

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barbed wire and signs were posted that

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aimed to prevent people from approaching

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the ranch it says in March 2020 Utah

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real estate Tycoon Brandon Fogel who you

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were calling just the Wolverine back

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then actually announced ownership of the

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ranch so there we have it we know the

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guy's name and we know he probably did

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all this trademarking of the term

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Skinwalker Ranch to try to capitalize on

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the TV show well bring us up to speed

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how have things changed since we last

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spoke what insights can you give us from

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living next door that we wouldn't get

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anywhere else

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2019 July of 2019 I purchased sort of a

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base camp known as space Wolf Research

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LLC it's adjacent there to the South

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border and it's interesting because

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since then obviously a lot has come

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forward that is no longer guarded or

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considered things that should be kept in

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the shadows so we can speak more openly

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about it

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such as the owner's name who I called

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The Wolverine that is Brandon and

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the Paranormal reputation of the area

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located there in Uintah County

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it's popularly dubbed the most

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scientifically studied hot spot in the

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world and a lot of the folklore

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surrounding the area for decades comes

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from nids the National Institute of

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Discovery Science

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who was under Robert Bigelow's control

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and whose members did a ton of research

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there a lot of which believe it or not

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was a cult and by that I mean the use of

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because they were getting they were

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getting data they were getting data so

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for somebody like me this really stirs

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the pot and

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you have people such as the

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quote-unquote father of non-lethal

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studying there on the property was

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obviously tied to the government and

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also working with nids and we have

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strange goings-on such as cattle

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mutilations that have been part of the

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folklore in the surrounding area for

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and with the new ownership adamantium

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real estate

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we have obviously after this purchase a

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very popularized

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well-received television show so things

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have changed a lot you know we used to

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some of the ultimate Spooks and extreme

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occult practices taking place on the

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property in secret finding things out

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what is interesting is whatever Bigelow

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did find out he gave not one iota to the

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new owner and he made that very clear

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in the documentation that zero data

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would be transferred and this is kind of

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a mark of Bigelow's the type of business

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he does he's very very serious about his

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he was able to gather whatever research

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data he needed for his next Conquest

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which it seems like he's taken on

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thing now with Bix bics which is

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basically a study for Consciousness

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studies and Bix is

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really asking the deepest darkest

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hardest questions Humanity has why are

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is there life after death

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and what is really going on in the

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greater scheme of things so

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it's very Consciousness based and

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since my purchase of space Wolf research

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that base camp on the South Boundary

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I started sort of meeting interesting

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people as is usually the case with these

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things I met a very interesting person

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who has desired to remain unnamed and I

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met him through a mutual friend Jeremy

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and this gentleman is from back east and

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he was also interested in investigating

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sort of this Consciousness aspect and

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doing so through technological means

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lend themselves to Consciousness studies

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such as the god helmet which is

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a helmet that was designed by Dr

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Persinger if you've come across that and

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it was originally designed to help

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stroke victims and the like however

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there's a strange Connection in

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persingers career how this led up to

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this photo bio modulation helmet type

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technology and the strange thing is when

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you put this technology on a great deal

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of the people who wear the quote unquote

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so it really asks the question you know

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heads or are our heads able to gather

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and grasp things that our regular senses

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cannot mm-hmm

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and this gentleman I ended up selling

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him 14 acres of the property and he has

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while after purchasing the property

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and that is an interesting technology as

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well the angel lamp is basically a

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technology that can also be used for

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Consciousness studies and is said to

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mimic the effects of DNT yet in a

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technological form something you can

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switch on and off without the long drawn

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out not to mention biological

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repercussions

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and he sets up a tent for lack of a

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better word a very dark light proof tent

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on the premises and fires up these

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which interestingly is said to have been

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invented or created by a Catholic priest

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who claims he channeled all the

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information on how to create it didn't

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have the background really to do it so

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that's very interesting oh yeah but yeah

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the property it's been just an array of

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strange activity on my side of the fence

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as well as my close friends who is

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basically doing his thing on the other

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side we still have a very open door

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policy with one another

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he's gathered a lot of information as

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since July of 2019 when I originally

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property I've added some acreage to it

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heading towards the east which is

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actually pretty exciting that happened

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this year and

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we've had some pretty

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unbelievable unexplainable events take

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place hell yeah give us an example of

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like one of those events okay

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the most mind-blowing

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well it sounds kind of cheesy to say

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that you have the objects in the sky

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basically all the time which I think

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can send you more it's a pretty fairly

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common scenario that you have these

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unidentified aerial phenomena during the

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day or at night that's quite easily

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caught on camera and

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that's evidence in itself but then you

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have other strange things for example

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a cabin and a 40-foot RV that I placed

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on the property was vaporized during the

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day by

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quite literally

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a bolt of energy

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so something akin to a lightning bolt

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and by vaporized I mean the only things

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left were literally molten metal

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glass on the ground nothing left of this

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40-foot massive RV and I had a

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exploration team out just the weekend

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before

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Crider exploration and then I was

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supposed to be out there actually when

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this thing hit but I got backed up and

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thank goodness I wasn't there

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so that happened and in almost the same

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area or same location

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we had

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basically I brought in a large 40-foot

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steel container

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to place all the technology in kind of a

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quick fix be able to lock it all up

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and I placed it in roughly the same

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location also to test and see if it too

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would be hit by lightning and it has not

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been hit by lightning I don't believe

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that that's a common thing in the middle

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of the day

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but what has happened is that 40 foot

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long 8 700 pound container

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was quite literally

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moved from a East-West facing direction

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to a north-south-facing Direction

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and almost just for fun damn it seemed

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to be airlifted it appears that there

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are no tire marks drag marks

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any Telltale science not even so much as

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a blade of grass seemed Disturbed it was

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just no longer Facing East to West it's

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now facing north to south

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and it's stuff like that that just

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really kind of keeps me interested yeah

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yeah those are interesting bits of

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information but what about contact with

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whatever this is I'm still unsure if

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it's a portal place where multiple types

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of intelligences seem to bleed in or if

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there's one big entity I talked to Greg

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little after the release of his last

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book that he wrote with Andrew Collins

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and Andrew Collins says he thinks that

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it is a blanket of Consciousness that

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kind of covers the whole area as if it's

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one big etheric entity

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and that's a perspective that is

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interesting but I I really just don't

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know and I'm curious your thoughts and

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if there's been any mind-to-mind

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communication where we can get a sense

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of

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if it's one thing if it's many things

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and what the logic is an agenda is of

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this otherworldly Force

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such a great question Greg you never

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underestimate the questions well I'm

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just figuring let's get into it let's do

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it let's roll up our sleeves and I'm

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glad you asked that question because

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it is one of those larger questions that

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much like nids

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under Bigelow

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diving into the cult to get these

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answers I've also

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done somewhat of a deep dive especially

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literally into literature

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with Navajo richcraft

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Native American Skinwalker Witchcraft

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and related phenomena reading books by

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Clyde kluckhone

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Joan teller Norman Blackwater really

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hard to find texts that delineate step

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by step what these

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dark adapts are doing to achieve this

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shape-shifting quote-unquote biological

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technology that they assume in their

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witchcraft

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and

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to get back to your question as far as

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what it is we're dealing with

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I think that

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I love Gregory little by the way I think

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that he is right in one aspect that this

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is a blanket of

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Consciousness or intelligence

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however I think that it merges in a way

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that is difficult to explain much like

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the Bible

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speaks of the Gods as the Elohim

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yet

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the Elohim are also what makeup

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the godhead

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so

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and I find that

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it gets super tricky because

389
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you have all of these negative and

390
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positive malevolent and benevolent

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activities that can take place in the

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area

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and there is a trickster

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mentality to a lot of the malevolent

395
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but there's also something I like to

396
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call it friends when I go to the area

397
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I gathered that from

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someone else that term

399
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and when I asked why do you call them

400
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friends he said well it's better than

401
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calling them enemies and

402
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I think that's very true

403
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you have to go in with an open mind set

404
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boundaries be very protected no matter

405
00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:34,679
what your religion is you have to say

406
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prayers of protection say I'm willing to

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engage engage with the phenomena or the

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intelligence this non-corporeal

409
00:17:46,490 --> 00:17:44,880
intelligence of sorts which is

410
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precognitive which makes it very

411
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difficult to engage with because it can

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know your settings and what you're

413
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thinking literally before you do it so

414
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it's quite precognitive and it kind of

415
00:18:03,409 --> 00:17:59,580
sees you coming a mile away but it does

416
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appear that this intelligence of sorts

417
00:18:07,850 --> 00:18:06,660
has not only a sense of humor which is

418
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super awesome

419
00:18:12,590 --> 00:18:09,440
but

420
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this aspect of liking to play the game

421
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it has this trickery mentality almost

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childlike at times where

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it just wants to engage and that I get

424
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in the bigger scheme of things just the

425
00:18:30,830 --> 00:18:29,280
fact that there's contact whatsoever is

426
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so phenomenal to me

427
00:18:36,289 --> 00:18:33,660
but yet the fact that it wants it makes

428
00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:36,299
it not easier it makes it a little

429
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:37,860
harder because you don't know where it's

430
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:40,559
going with this particular contact each

431
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:42,960
time it occurs and to give you an

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example

433
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on a recent trip and I actually took my

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mother on this trip

435
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we

436
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:53,100
had kind of bedded down for the night in

437
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this small cabin there at the base camp

438
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at space Wolf

439
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and we hear

440
00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:01,679
some sounds outside and it sounds like

441
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my car doors opening and closing which

442
00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:06,720
this is nothing special these types of

443
00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,760
trickery mechanisms happen quite often

444
00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:11,100
but they don't always lead somewhere

445
00:19:15,409 --> 00:19:13,500
so I got up I said oh Mom it sounds like

446
00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:15,419
somebody's getting into my car and I

447
00:19:18,529 --> 00:19:17,100
said but don't worry it probably isn't

448
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,539
it's probably just messing around and

449
00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:19,919
that's no big deal

450
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:22,140
and I went out the front door

451
00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:25,679
and I noticed these lights swirling

452
00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:27,480
around the vehicle

453
00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:29,580
of course as I turned to close the door

454
00:19:33,289 --> 00:19:31,860
and come out and really investigate

455
00:19:36,169 --> 00:19:33,299
there's no lights

456
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,179
they disappear they vanish

457
00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:38,640
and then in the distance not too far

458
00:19:45,890 --> 00:19:41,400
away I would say about

459
00:19:46,669 --> 00:19:45,900
20 yards 15 yards I see a spotlight come

460
00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:46,679
out

461
00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:49,860
from around the angular corner of this

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00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:52,140
container this 40-foot container that we

463
00:19:56,090 --> 00:19:53,340
spoke of

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00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:56,100
and it looks like a flashlight

465
00:20:01,549 --> 00:19:59,280
coming down from the top corner of the

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00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:01,559
container towards the ground and so

467
00:20:05,450 --> 00:20:03,480
I say well maybe there is somebody out

468
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:05,460
here I walk over towards this beam of

469
00:20:10,190 --> 00:20:06,480
light

470
00:20:13,370 --> 00:20:10,200
and there is zero point of origin

471
00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:13,380
as I try to come around angularly around

472
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the corner of the container

473
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it evades ever so slightly as so I can

474
00:20:25,490 --> 00:20:22,440
never see a point of origin

475
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,500
now when I get too close it will turn

476
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off

477
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and there's zero beam of Light by now my

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mom has gotten up to see what's going on

479
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she's come out onto the little porch and

480
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she sees the inside of the car

481
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all of the dash and screens Etc inside

482
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the vehicle

483
00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:44,760
are emanating colors that are not usual

484
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for the vehicle like very bright

485
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different rainbow colored colors

486
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so she thinks I'm in the car

487
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it had a very heavy tint on the vehicle

488
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so she went up to the window and looked

489
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inside and could tell I was not in the

490
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vehicle

491
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and then looked over and I'm I'm

492
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standing in this beam of light because

493
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at this point I literally just went to

494
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stand in the beam of light to see if I

495
00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:10,799
could feel anything

496
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:13,080
and I noticed that I could not cast a

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00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:14,160
shadow

498
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in this beam of light so I called her

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over I'm like Mom you gotta check this

500
00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:18,780
out this is so awesome

501
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:21,059
so she came over could not believe her

502
00:21:24,169 --> 00:21:22,320
eyes I said get in get in there's

503
00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:24,179
nothing to worry about look at this you

504
00:21:28,510 --> 00:21:25,740
can't cast a shadow no matter how low

505
00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:28,520
you go and if we try to follow around

506
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:31,500
this container to see where this beam is

507
00:21:37,850 --> 00:21:34,620
coming from it will either turn off move

508
00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:37,860
or always remain just inches out of

509
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,960
sight so the light has zero point of

510
00:21:44,450 --> 00:21:41,039
origin

511
00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:44,460
and she engaged and saw this all take

512
00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:45,419
place

513
00:21:51,169 --> 00:21:48,299
she's a very Hispanic

514
00:21:54,770 --> 00:21:51,179
lady born in Costa Rica she's

515
00:21:57,409 --> 00:21:54,780
very familiar with witchcraft and

516
00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:57,419
after the event because eventually you

517
00:22:00,169 --> 00:21:58,620
know she's like this is just too much

518
00:22:01,850 --> 00:22:00,179
this is just too much

519
00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:01,860
she starts you know praying and stuff

520
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,659
and I told her mom don't pray too much

521
00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:06,480
you know like like we don't want to

522
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:09,240
completely disengage but she got the

523
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,260
point

524
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,240
that there's something

525
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,360
that relates the phenomena to us and it

526
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,480
just wants that engagement

527
00:22:22,970 --> 00:22:20,159
that playful

528
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,980
much like a puppy or a dog it just wants

529
00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:24,480
to engage

530
00:22:30,169 --> 00:22:27,299
great story I'm sure that these things

531
00:22:33,049 --> 00:22:30,179
are really impactful to experience

532
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:33,059
firsthand but we've heard many stories

533
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:35,820
at this level of trickster activity and

534
00:22:41,149 --> 00:22:38,039
doors opening and closing and strange

535
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:41,159
lights has there been any you said it's

536
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:44,580
capable of mine to mind communication or

537
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,480
reading one's mind has this entity

538
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:51,120
communicated anything to you when asked

539
00:22:56,270 --> 00:22:54,059
what are you how did you get here what

540
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,280
do you want I mean these have to be the

541
00:23:00,649 --> 00:22:58,440
first questions that come to mind has it

542
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,659
ever given you any response or have you

543
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,640
talked to someone first hand who's

544
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:04,320
gotten a response to those kind of

545
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:05,580
questions

546
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:09,539
yes on both accounts it seems as if for

547
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:11,340
whatever reason

548
00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:15,360
this entity is somewhat stuck or enjoys

549
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:19,700
being in this location or general area

550
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:23,460
and it's difficult to find out exactly

551
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:28,260
why it is banished to this area stuck in

552
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:32,940
this area or chooses to roam

553
00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:35,159
this particular

554
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,340
spot and does so

555
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:40,799
kind of with Reckless abandon it has

556
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:45,000
full control of the area and what I mean

557
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:46,080
by that

558
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:49,919
is quite literally it almost appears and

559
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:53,520
seems as if the very ground itself

560
00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:57,480
is alive or has a Consciousness to it as

561
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,299
soon as dark hits and you get that magic

562
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:02,880
time from

563
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:05,700
dusk tonight

564
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:09,480
it exponentially just energizes the area

565
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,679
and it's something that you can

566
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,659
physically feel

567
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:14,460
being human beings we have that

568
00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:16,380
biological

569
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,419
kind of sensor

570
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:20,880
in us that you know the hairs go up on

571
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,940
your neck you know you're not alone you

572
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,919
hear things that shouldn't be heard you

573
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:28,320
see things that shouldn't be seen but

574
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:30,600
more importantly you realize that it's

575
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:32,220
quite clearly

576
00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:35,400
the domain of something else that you

577
00:24:40,029 --> 00:24:38,340
are just a visitor there and

578
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,039
that is

579
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,679
mesmerizing to me I do feel at times

580
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:46,559
like

581
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:49,380
things could go very wrong

582
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:52,200
with a lot of good reasons but I think

583
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,520
if you

584
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,640
are very careful respectful of the area

585
00:25:05,029 --> 00:24:58,679
and

586
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:05,039
not

587
00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:08,280
I don't need to prove anything

588
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,360
to anybody other than myself so I

589
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:15,360
already believe so when when I go it

590
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,100
just seems like they're kind of like the

591
00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:19,740
edge is taken off like I'm not gonna

592
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:21,539
have a psychic break because I see

593
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:23,460
something that was Next Level to what I

594
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:25,860
saw the previous time

595
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:28,740
so my history in the area possibly makes

596
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,640
me

597
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:31,520
a little bit more

598
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:35,100
desensitized but still engaging with it

599
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:38,520
it's a rush it is a complete Rush

600
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:42,240
how the actual landscape itself can

601
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:44,100
become alive with the type of

602
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:47,460
Consciousness and at times the Earth

603
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:49,799
itself will move it will shake it will

604
00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:54,419
shudder it will Rumble and another very

605
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,620
strange

606
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:57,840
thing that happens is you'll have these

607
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:00,059
cracks in the ground that will

608
00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:02,820
completely open up and some of these

609
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:05,220
Caverns or cracks and this is just

610
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:08,039
regular desert landscape High Desert

611
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:11,159
some of them will go down 20 to 50 feet

612
00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:14,460
I mean massive and be three feet wide

613
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,500
four feet wide at the surface

614
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,960
and within days they'll close up and

615
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:20,700
you'll never even know they were there

616
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:24,240
so it's quite literally as if the ground

617
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:26,100
is alive

618
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,679
yeah very fascinating and it does jive

619
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,659
with things previous guests have talked

620
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:32,580
about here I mean animism the

621
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:36,419
perspective that all objects can be

622
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,900
bound with Consciousness that even rocks

623
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,279
and elements of the landscape have

624
00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:42,720
Consciousness we've talked about

625
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,900
Guardian Spirits before and fairies and

626
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:47,760
all that folklore some people think

627
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:50,460
Bigfoot is still a guardian of the

628
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,100
forest to some degree and Dr little

629
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:54,559
talked about

630
00:27:02,029 --> 00:26:59,220
geological activity being a component of

631
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:02,039
what facilitates maybe these plasma

632
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:05,700
discharges and that either the plasma

633
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:09,600
itself is conscious or maybe these

634
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:12,960
beings live in plasma like a fish lives

635
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,520
in water and when plasma emerges the

636
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:19,679
intelligence is just in there from

637
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:21,960
another dimension or whatever that's

638
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:24,900
obviously why the term portal is used so

639
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:28,080
when you say it's bound to the area that

640
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:29,880
obviously is

641
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,400
occult language and it speaks to maybe

642
00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:34,799
something that you'd find in Dr Little's

643
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:37,799
book like a big shamanic ritual and

644
00:27:45,010 --> 00:27:42,000
Magic is always kind of about binding or

645
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:45,020
you know you draw the circle The Bean Is

646
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,100
invoked and then it can't leave the

647
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:49,679
circle so the notion that something was

648
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:51,720
once called there and can't really

649
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:53,940
Escape but doesn't hate it I don't know

650
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:56,039
maybe that makes sense like a little

651
00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:59,220
trickster in a regional prison of some

652
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:02,340
kind without real bars yeah I'm open to

653
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:05,220
a lot of that it seems to make sense but

654
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:08,940
have you asked it what are you does it

655
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:09,720
ever

656
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:12,840
describe itself is it an angel is it a

657
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:16,559
spirit is it what does it say it is

658
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:21,120
and this is a good question it does not

659
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:25,020
at least that I've been convinced by and

660
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,299
even in conversations with people who

661
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:30,000
have had unusual impressions as well of

662
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:32,340
the intelligence

663
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:34,460
name itself

664
00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:37,080
accordingly however

665
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:40,940
it does seem to

666
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:45,600
have many attributes that are shared

667
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,779
with other occult beings that are deemed

668
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:50,820
extremely powerful

669
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,700
and the immediate one that comes to mind

670
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:55,740
is the gin

671
00:29:03,710 --> 00:28:58,500
and the reason I bring up the gin

672
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:03,720
is this is also not my idea I originally

673
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:04,980
was

674
00:29:11,890 --> 00:29:08,100
told this idea by Jacque Valley

675
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:11,900
he and Frank Salisbury and Junior Hicks

676
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,260
would have conversations and

677
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:19,919
in Frank salisbury's very difficult to

678
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,980
get but very good book on the phenomenon

679
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:25,440
called the Utah UFO display

680
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,279
but becomes apparent that even though

681
00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:32,100
these scientists are looking at this

682
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:33,779
through

683
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:37,020
the traditionally scientific lens that

684
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:40,860
it quite quickly and inexplicably

685
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:43,500
borders on spiritualism at some point

686
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:45,000
you can't

687
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:46,980
look at this

688
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:51,419
from just the scientific lens

689
00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:54,600
standard science only gets so far

690
00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:57,539
before it's outgunned so to speak

691
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,100
and

692
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:01,200
Mr valet

693
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,260
I quite literally told me he said very

694
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,940
similar things are happening in the

695
00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:07,679
deserts of the Middle East

696
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:10,919
and entities with similar capabilities

697
00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:14,159
doing similar things and having similar

698
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:15,860
approaches

699
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:20,100
are being witnessed in again the deserts

700
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:22,620
and it's strange that the desert comes

701
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:25,500
up so often because

702
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:28,919
in many occult ancient texts

703
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:32,159
when someone wants to gain answers from

704
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:33,960
a magical perspective

705
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:37,320
they are told to go to the desert and

706
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:38,700
this is where you will find the great

707
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:41,399
teacher for example many other

708
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,740
names and anecdotal

709
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,600
terminology but

710
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,000
basically

711
00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:50,640
it's reported through a lot of ancient

712
00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:53,580
texts that the deserts have

713
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,520
this intelligence and the standard

714
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:58,320
scientific approach just has a really

715
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:01,919
hard time wrapping its head around that

716
00:31:06,409 --> 00:31:03,299
mm-hmm

717
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:06,419
yeah it sounds like some I am that which

718
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,419
is called I am kind of thing like it's

719
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,279
just a Consciousness a spirit that's

720
00:31:15,470 --> 00:31:13,740
like what do you mean what am I I am I

721
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,480
am what I am I'm right here I'm I'm

722
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:17,580
communicating with you like I don't

723
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:18,659
really

724
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:20,700
have a word for it here you know

725
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,260
whatever you're looking for I don't have

726
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:24,000
that answer I'm just you're gonna learn

727
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:27,179
about me from the interactions and I

728
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:29,399
guess that's what we have to go on and I

729
00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:31,080
wanted to ask you about this guy Chris

730
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,460
Marks

731
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:34,440
someone you interviewed that you

732
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,059
recommended that I interview as well but

733
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:37,740
I just haven't gotten to it apparently

734
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:40,679
he worked for Bigelow Advanced Aerospace

735
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:43,620
studies is a military policeman with

736
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,480
active clearances and was a security

737
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:48,000
guard for Skinwalker Ranch what did you

738
00:31:53,330 --> 00:31:50,220
learn from him

739
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:53,340
through a series of conversations and

740
00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:55,320
there's another Chris involved which was

741
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:58,620
also a quote-unquote guard

742
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,799
for Bigelow and his name was Chris

743
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:04,799
Bartell interestingly these are the guys

744
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:06,779
that I was literally

745
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,659
you know running from

746
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,820
years ago and these are the guys that

747
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:13,860
were posted up outside of my house and

748
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:17,760
in Black Suburbans when I was being

749
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,000
quote unquote monitored and what's fun

750
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,279
about talking to them now

751
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,440
is that we can laugh about it they're

752
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:28,080
like yeah you know we were asked to park

753
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:29,640
outside of your house and keep an eye on

754
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:34,500
you and this was well within the range

755
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,360
of possibility for a private company

756
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:38,520
which had

757
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,740
deals with the Department of Defense

758
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,260
this is all plausible deniability and

759
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:45,120
completely within you know

760
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:48,059
they knew I was in the area they knew

761
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,520
what I was up to and so anyway it's kind

762
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:52,440
of funny to look back on it but yes I

763
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:55,140
found a lot out from these two gentlemen

764
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:58,740
and the stories detailed and the claims

765
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:01,620
that have been made by both of them are

766
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:05,039
100 True in my opinion

767
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:07,700
one particular story that comes to mind

768
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:12,720
is a quote-unquote shapeshifter

769
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:17,279
at the property on the ridge which

770
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,380
spooked one of them because he felt as

771
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:21,240
if he was being watched he turned and

772
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:22,440
looked up

773
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:25,799
and he saw a person just a Native

774
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:27,779
American walking along the ridge kind of

775
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:29,100
shadowing him

776
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:31,500
and when he engaged with this individual

777
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:33,899
and called out to him

778
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,100
it I say it but this individual what

779
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:40,559
appeared to be a Native American man

780
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:42,179
average build

781
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:46,980
bent over as if folded in half so kind

782
00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:49,080
of like touching your toes

783
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:52,380
and then

784
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:55,380
quite quickly became a wolf right in

785
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:56,760
front of his eyes

786
00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:58,860
and

787
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:00,360
obviously

788
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:04,260
this made him a Believer other events

789
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,320
that took place were these three wolves

790
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,839
that would kind of pack up and there

791
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,520
have been some instances that have

792
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:13,919
happened that I'll get into

793
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:16,440
but a lot of times these things will

794
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:18,599
roam in threes and I say these things

795
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:20,580
but these wolf-like shape-shifting

796
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:22,679
entities

797
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:26,159
and they engaged with

798
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,679
one of these down by a Waterway and

799
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,919
unloaded on it but by no means killed it

800
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:34,200
the bullets seem to have no effect which

801
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:35,280
is

802
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,379
quite often the case and goes along with

803
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:39,119
a lot of the folklore you hear which is

804
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:40,500
unbelievable

805
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,320
and these are guys that don't lie these

806
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,599
are guys that in my opinion

807
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:47,159
we're just doing a job you know they're

808
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:49,080
just collecting a paycheck

809
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,000
making car payments making mortgage

810
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,220
payments and they're not really wanting

811
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,260
any trouble

812
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:58,320
but the thing that stood out to me the

813
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:00,119
most

814
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:03,060
was the way they were engaging with the

815
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:08,339
trickster the types of games and playful

816
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:12,180
back and forth and the Occult means by

817
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:13,980
which they were doing so

818
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:16,680
so they had a custom

819
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:19,260
Ouija board made specifically for the

820
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,460
property

821
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:22,920
and these two gentlemen said that when

822
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:24,420
they would touch

823
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:26,700
the Ouija board together

824
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,920
that it would almost outpower them like

825
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:30,720
they couldn't stop this thing from

826
00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:32,460
telling them things at times even if

827
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,859
they wanted to and these are two big

828
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:36,480
beefy guys

829
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:37,980
so

830
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:40,920
in an attempt to contact

831
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,500
The Entity and kind of go out on a limb

832
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:45,119
they realize the whole tree was

833
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:47,460
literally shaking the power was so real

834
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:50,940
they couldn't deny it and the occult

835
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,880
ways that they contacted it I think says

836
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:56,040
a lot about the area and it may say a

837
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:59,400
lot about what possibly might be there

838
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:00,839
hmm

839
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,839
yeah and you also mentioned to me that

840
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:06,240
he was originally from Germany and

841
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,940
Robert Bigelow had him translate German

842
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,520
submarine messages accounting for an

843
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:13,680
anomalous expedition to Antarctica

844
00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:16,560
looking into odd things can you

845
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:19,220
elaborate on that what odd things

846
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:23,280
yes this is very strange

847
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:26,700
at first he thought why am I reading

848
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,380
through

849
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:31,200
all these Pages translating something

850
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:35,339
that seems monotonous and

851
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:37,260
has no meaning

852
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:39,240
and

853
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,720
what he found was this was an event that

854
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:44,640
took place

855
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:46,500
and

856
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:49,980
it may have been UFO related I'm not

857
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:51,660
sure and it may have something to do

858
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:54,180
with the hollow Earth and that's kind of

859
00:37:00,290 --> 00:36:56,940
what I gathered from our conversation

860
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:00,300
there were instances in the accounts

861
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:03,540
where the submarine was

862
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:05,579
running deep

863
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:07,800
finding things that were out of this

864
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:11,520
world and engaging with things that were

865
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:15,359
again not the usual so even though I

866
00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:16,980
didn't get an exact

867
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:20,760
answer I believe it was UFO related and

868
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:23,099
possibly having to do with Hollow Earth

869
00:37:27,010 --> 00:37:24,540
hmm

870
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,020
well what was like the most revealing

871
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:29,760
aspect of what he told you because we've

872
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:32,339
heard that the Germans were looking in

873
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:34,260
Antarctica we've heard that they were

874
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:36,780
interested in the hollow Earth what can

875
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:38,940
you tell us beyond what we might already

876
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:40,380
know

877
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:44,940
it did have something to do with

878
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:47,579
Foo Fighters as they were known

879
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:50,040
and

880
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:59,930
not quite attacking the submarine but

881
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,500
and I'm sure that this stuff is

882
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:03,359
confidential I just don't know to what

883
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:04,440
end

884
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:05,700
but

885
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,520
they were investigating

886
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:11,040
something in the area that was near

887
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:12,540
South America

888
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:16,619
there were events taking place which

889
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:19,500
had to do with UFOs

890
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:23,280
and apparently the information gathered

891
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,460
was very important to Robert Bigelow so

892
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:29,359
much in fact that he had him translate

893
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:32,700
this entire

894
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:34,740
paperwork that came with the submarine

895
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:39,420
so it was a very detailed very much

896
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:41,940
quite the process to go through it all a

897
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:43,800
lot of detail in the story

898
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,960
but where it was leading was that there

899
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:48,240
was some sort of

900
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,359
interaction as we sometimes in this

901
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,240
country believe there is interaction

902
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,820
of sorts between governments or

903
00:39:02,810 --> 00:38:59,760
collusion between governments and UFOs

904
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:02,820
that conspiracy that governments and

905
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,339
these others are working together

906
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:07,980
and this stuff's always kind of held in

907
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,260
these black vaults cover-ups

908
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:12,000
controversies

909
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,099
and it's difficult to know how much of

910
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,560
it is accurate and how much isn't

911
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,060
mm-hmm

912
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:21,119
well fair enough and you know of course

913
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,099
our interactions originally started with

914
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,920
the THC plus Forum post you made

915
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,560
offering up an NDA free Skinwalker show

916
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,200
and then you showed me images of a

917
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,880
portal that was pretty compelling and

918
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:34,560
funny enough after the Trey Hudson

919
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,380
interview the researcher he mentioned

920
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:40,260
from turkey that uh I had meant that

921
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:42,180
came out in the interview that reached

922
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,760
out to him actually popped up in the

923
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:46,800
plus form as well offering to answer

924
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:48,300
some questions so that was an

925
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:51,900
interesting coincidence and going back

926
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,060
to our last interview you had mentioned

927
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:56,579
that you yourself did an invocation of

928
00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:00,060
Thoth out there and you told me recently

929
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:02,579
that the Avenue that you're looking more

930
00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:04,440
at is the connection between Witchcraft

931
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,520
and UFOs and you had said that

932
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,560
there are similarities between

933
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:12,960
witchcraft used for healing and cursing

934
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:15,300
in Central America mostly Costa Rica

935
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:17,880
where you were born and the skinwalkers

936
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:21,060
of the Unita basin and this is the

937
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:22,680
direction a lot of people are going the

938
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,839
trail seems to be much less sci-fi and

939
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:27,000
much more metaphysical esoteric and

940
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:28,619
occult but for people who aren't

941
00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:30,300
familiar with Central American

942
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,000
witchcraft for healing and cursing what

943
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:35,280
are the specific similarities that you

944
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:36,780
see

945
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:41,760
yeah there are for example

946
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,900
for lack of a better word things found

947
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:47,599
on the landscape

948
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:51,420
and this is similar to in Costa Rica for

949
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,640
example there is a

950
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:55,920
a very long history of Witchcraft in

951
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,720
fact some of the Cities

952
00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:00,540
you can't go a block without passing two

953
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:02,220
or three it's like psychics you know two

954
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,720
or three witches which people know of

955
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:05,760
and you know they're of course the white

956
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:09,359
witches and the dark witches which this

957
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:11,700
will come into play shortly because you

958
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:14,099
have the same exact thing in Native

959
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,579
American cultures and

960
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:20,040
what I find is

961
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:22,260
at times you'll visit the property and

962
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,260
come across gifts is what

963
00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:27,960
I like to call them but things that

964
00:41:35,089 --> 00:41:32,339
offerings offerings yes great yes

965
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:35,099
offerings that should not be there and

966
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,099
seem to be created just for you and

967
00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:39,839
other times you will have things taken

968
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:43,079
you will literally have an object a

969
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:44,460
personal

970
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:48,599
object of yours taken I recently bought

971
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:50,760
I hate buying new electronics I had

972
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:53,220
bought the new iPhone I went up to the

973
00:41:59,930 --> 00:41:56,579
property and the thing disappears and I

974
00:42:02,210 --> 00:41:59,940
to not go too off topic I start trying

975
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,220
to Ping the device with my other Apple

976
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,460
products and it's pinging in completely

977
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,920
different counties each time I do it

978
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,839
bouncing around

979
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:11,640
and then

980
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,599
we hear it literally at the bottom of a

981
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:18,480
backpack in the vehicle now this is

982
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:20,820
impossible because we had the phone with

983
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,820
us the entire evening we hadn't gone

984
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:26,640
into the vehicle it was morning and we

985
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:29,160
were in the cabin and I had I had the

986
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:31,500
phone right next to me so obviously

987
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:34,859
impossible and paranormal but the fact

988
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,420
that it was pinging in different

989
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:38,579
counties made me wonder is this actually

990
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:40,440
dimensional like it didn't know where to

991
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:41,460
put it

992
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:44,099
but we did find the phone eventually in

993
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:45,359
the car at the bottom of a backpack

994
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:47,460
where it couldn't have been but it will

995
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,740
take things from you and if you're not

996
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:51,540
able to Ping these devices you'll

997
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,180
probably never find them an interesting

998
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:56,520
story with this particular phone

999
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:58,380
is I should have learned my lesson but

1000
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:59,880
that morning I decided to go out and

1001
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,319
take some pictures by this little

1002
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,800
Waterway we call Cryptid Creek and I was

1003
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:07,920
walking and I felt as if something just

1004
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,740
grabbed or pushed the phone out of my

1005
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,720
hand it went in the water obviously done

1006
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,640
deal the water was high and moving very

1007
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:16,680
quickly

1008
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,420
the phone was gone

1009
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:19,920
well

1010
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:22,619
fast forward a few months

1011
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:25,740
the water level was lower I was looking

1012
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:27,420
for the device

1013
00:43:32,329 --> 00:43:30,900
and I found the device Upstream from

1014
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:32,339
where I lost it which again is

1015
00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:34,500
Paranormal so you'll have things taken

1016
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:36,839
from you which witches will do in Native

1017
00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:40,500
American and Navajo witchcraft it's very

1018
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,319
common to guard things such as hair

1019
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:45,200
you'll notice

1020
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:49,380
that many especially Elders both in

1021
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,420
Hispanic cultures and in Native American

1022
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,819
cultures will clean off their Combs when

1023
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960
they're done combing their hair and

1024
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:56,640
throw it in the garbage they won't leave

1025
00:44:02,750 --> 00:43:59,099
it strand of hair in their comb when

1026
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:02,760
they put it back because if someone with

1027
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,880
dark Adept tendencies

1028
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:07,920
breaks into your house and they're able

1029
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:10,140
to gather so much as a strand of hair

1030
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,040
they have sort of a screenshot of you

1031
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:16,020
they have a piece of you quite literally

1032
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:19,680
that they can then work with and related

1033
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,859
phenomena can build upon that so

1034
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,440
there's a lot of different examples of

1035
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:27,540
that but that's just a quick and kind of

1036
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:28,740
Cliff Notes

1037
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:32,520
way to explain it right on right on

1038
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,359
well man we had planned to talk more

1039
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,839
about PB Randolph and let that be the

1040
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,280
bulk of the show but even just getting

1041
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:43,440
some updates on Skinwalker Ranch has

1042
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:45,180
taken almost the full hour but let's

1043
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:47,940
squeeze in some PB Randolph here so if

1044
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,119
we follow along the occult lead laid out

1045
00:44:56,089 --> 00:44:53,640
you mentioned to me a deep study of this

1046
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,099
guy PB Randolph who was the partial

1047
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:58,400
basis for Doctor Strange in the Marvel

1048
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:02,160
Universe he was the real first hashish

1049
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:04,619
importer into the U.S and founder of the

1050
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:07,020
oldest secret society in America he's

1051
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:08,940
kind of lost to history because he was a

1052
00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:11,640
black man in the time of slavery and

1053
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,619
that's one hell of a resume already but

1054
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:15,119
tell us more and why this guy is

1055
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:16,500
important

1056
00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:21,119
he had

1057
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:23,180
so many of

1058
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,380
the founding ideas and philosophies that

1059
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,680
were taken by people such as HB

1060
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:33,359
blowatsky

1061
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:37,020
thalima uses a lot of the ideas he was a

1062
00:45:47,950 --> 00:45:44,510
interesting character he took an active

1063
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,960
part in the Abolitionist Movement

1064
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:50,339
Randolph's Enlightenment was way ahead

1065
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:54,180
of its time apparently and in his

1066
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,040
rosicrucian order

1067
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:58,680
quote unquote the white Brotherhood he

1068
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,020
included but was not limited to members

1069
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,780
such as Benjamin Franklin Thomas Payne

1070
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:05,760
Abraham Lincoln which was a personal

1071
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:09,119
friend and these names were kept in an

1072
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,060
anonymity but everybody sort of knew

1073
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,920
Randolph was invited to go to New

1074
00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:15,920
Orleans with Abraham Lincoln

1075
00:46:22,089 --> 00:46:19,619
and for some sort of revitalization

1076
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:22,099
effort of philanthropy he went

1077
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,140
and was trying to get certain blacks the

1078
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:27,839
ability to vote things like that and

1079
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,640
landed him in a ton he was always

1080
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:32,160
Landing in a whirlwind of conflict and

1081
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:35,400
controversy but he was a physician

1082
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:39,359
and he would use a great deal of hashish

1083
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:40,980
and

1084
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:44,520
basically trance work he seemed to be a

1085
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,339
clairvoyant physician so

1086
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,800
he had thousands of people who claimed

1087
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:52,319
to have been healed by him he would go

1088
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,940
and see him he would go into this

1089
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:55,560
trance-like state

1090
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,140
and find out what was really wrong with

1091
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,960
you the way I found out about his

1092
00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:03,359
organization back east as well as others

1093
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,260
is I had a conversation with Jay Parker

1094
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:09,119
and after delving pretty deeply into

1095
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,180
Satanic ritual abuse back east

1096
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:13,920
you know Jay was telling me everywhere

1097
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:16,680
to go what to see what to do and I

1098
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:19,079
decided to book an air flight back East

1099
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:21,240
to Arden Delaware the place Joe Biden

1100
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:23,720
was raised in a place called Rose Valley

1101
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:26,700
to investigate claims of Satanic ritual

1102
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:29,940
abuse by the dark side of the Illuminati

1103
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:32,040
much like in the Native American and

1104
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:33,720
Hispanic witchcraft there's the dark

1105
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,839
side and the light side apparently and I

1106
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,240
was told to visit a specific dinner

1107
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:42,480
theater at specific times and also a

1108
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:45,660
neighborhood called royland Croft I

1109
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:47,220
probably shouldn't even say the name of

1110
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:48,839
the neighborhood but amongst others

1111
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:50,520
there's some others that I won't say the

1112
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:54,900
name of and I did this to delve into

1113
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,089
evidentiary ritual sites by the

1114
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:04,440
informants I was talking to Jay Parker

1115
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:05,880
was one of them

1116
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:08,040
many of these neighborhoods are said to

1117
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:10,440
be 90 percent

1118
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,540
of the people living there are said to

1119
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:15,359
be 90 satanic and taking part in many

1120
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,319
dark

1121
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:19,680
SRA style Gatherings or Satanic ritual

1122
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:20,760
abuse

1123
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,640
usually dealing with children so I was

1124
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:25,920
kind of you know

1125
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:29,099
fired up about this and I wanted to get

1126
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:30,780
out there and look you know I've always

1127
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,240
been interested in other groups that do

1128
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:34,800
this sort of thing and I wanted to see

1129
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:37,800
if this is very real obviously the when

1130
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:39,900
I went out there the pizzagate thing was

1131
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:42,960
huge and pedo gate and all of that so

1132
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,020
what I found was tragic

1133
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:48,960
I now 100 believe

1134
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:51,240
the words and claims of Jay Parker and

1135
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,640
many others and to give you an idea some

1136
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,440
of the things I witnessed

1137
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:58,200
I saw children being ushered into bottom

1138
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:01,079
levels of a dinner theater a place they

1139
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,300
had no reason to be especially at the

1140
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,060
time I was told to see it I saw a

1141
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:07,920
massive ovens in the woods behind the

1142
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,099
homes of Elites where the bodies are

1143
00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:13,500
said to be thrown and disposed of

1144
00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:16,859
again no reason for these massive ovens

1145
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,940
to be there

1146
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:19,740
and I was chased out of certain

1147
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:22,020
neighborhoods just for stopping on the

1148
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,940
side of the road as I was told I would

1149
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:25,680
be I didn't believe it you know they

1150
00:49:31,069 --> 00:49:29,099
said do not stop and even though I'm in

1151
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:31,079
the business of Real Estate

1152
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:32,819
I'm not a big deal but I made the

1153
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:34,560
appropriate calls I dressed

1154
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:36,780
appropriately in a suit as well as

1155
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:39,480
having business cards on me

1156
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:41,940
I was not allowed to View Estates that

1157
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:43,740
were listed for sale and some of the

1158
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:46,619
properties in the purported hot spots of

1159
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:47,960
satanic control

1160
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,819
one angry lady came up to my vehicle

1161
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:53,520
right as I stopped and

1162
00:49:57,470 --> 00:49:56,460
almost immediately asked who do you know

1163
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:57,480
here

1164
00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:59,460
and when I responded explaining I was

1165
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,740
just looking to buy a property I gave

1166
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,720
her my business card

1167
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:05,520
she threatened me with physical harm

1168
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:08,099
said others would join her if I did not

1169
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:11,880
leave immediately anyway

1170
00:50:19,069 --> 00:50:16,440
I also found workers of the good quote

1171
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,079
unquote Illuminati variety and the

1172
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:20,880
Brethren of light

1173
00:50:26,089 --> 00:50:23,940
which it's referred to so anyway I

1174
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:26,099
digress sorry for being tangential back

1175
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:28,619
to Randolph that's all right

1176
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:31,619
Randolph believed that the inhabitants

1177
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,920
of the Soul worlds have much to do with

1178
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:37,140
the goings-on of the great world's

1179
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,180
future so a lot like the entities we're

1180
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,520
talking about in the U in the basin

1181
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,280
that there was this hierarchy

1182
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:46,920
of entities that sort of work together

1183
00:50:51,790 --> 00:50:49,500
much like the Greeks explained in their

1184
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:51,800
mythology and that they did so

1185
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:56,220
oftentimes by using Mortals so when you

1186
00:51:00,109 --> 00:50:58,380
have these horrible horrific things that

1187
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,119
you say how could a person possibly do

1188
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,160
that well it might not be a person doing

1189
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:05,280
that it may be some of these other

1190
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:07,619
entities working through a person to do

1191
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,380
these things and the same can be said on

1192
00:51:14,450 --> 00:51:12,660
the light side so anyway Randolph

1193
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:14,460
consciously experienced all kinds of

1194
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:16,380
angelic Realms and hierarchies and

1195
00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:20,099
Visions he had extreme advocacy of

1196
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:22,500
hashish as you said he was the number

1197
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:26,400
one importer of hashish he also created

1198
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:27,900
magic mirrors

1199
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:30,180
and he put the tools in the hands of

1200
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,859
just about anybody who wanted to

1201
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:33,599
experience these visions and States

1202
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:37,380
described by Sears for millennia so

1203
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:40,680
Randolph was definitely the beginning of

1204
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,260
this Foundation this old secret society

1205
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:45,359
this Rose secretion order

1206
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:49,619
and his occult progress had a lot to do

1207
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:52,319
with the will not the intellect so much

1208
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:56,160
but the will to interact with these

1209
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:58,920
entities and to try

1210
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,319
that kind of became his motto and his

1211
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,599
trademark to try

1212
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,240
to become your best self

1213
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,359
very interesting yeah I read quite a bit

1214
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:11,520
about him preparing for this you

1215
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:13,740
mentioned Sex Magic he actually wrote a

1216
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:17,520
book called Magicka sexualis and the

1217
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:19,980
Amazon description says this book

1218
00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:22,740
explains Randolph's meticulous science

1219
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,079
of sex magic practiced by the

1220
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:27,119
Brotherhood of Euless and the Hermetic

1221
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:29,160
Brotherhood of light beginning with

1222
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:31,380
exercises to develop essential skills

1223
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:33,240
the book explains the step-by-step

1224
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:35,339
details of how to perform sex magic

1225
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,339
rituals for specific results such as

1226
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:40,800
greater strength or enhancement of the

1227
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:44,040
senses how to charge or use a vault an

1228
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:46,200
effigy for a specific person you want to

1229
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,900
influence or protect how to enliven a

1230
00:52:53,089 --> 00:52:51,059
painting in order to influence those

1231
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:53,099
around it and how to create magical

1232
00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:55,920
talismans with specific planetary forces

1233
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,680
using what Randolph calls fluid

1234
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,240
condensers

1235
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:02,640
this work shows that true power of the

1236
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:04,920
spirit is acquired in conjunction with

1237
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:07,859
the power of sex affirming that sex is

1238
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:10,859
the fundamental force in every being the

1239
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,020
most powerful force in nature and the

1240
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:15,359
most characteristic evidence of God well

1241
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:17,880
how about that right there on Amazon for

1242
00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:21,599
anyone to see secrets in plain sight so

1243
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:24,359
you go out there

1244
00:53:31,549 --> 00:53:27,720
and you follow Jay Parker's advice and

1245
00:53:35,290 --> 00:53:31,559
you see some things that convince you

1246
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:35,300
that the darkness in this area is real

1247
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:38,460
well talk to us more about the light

1248
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:42,300
side or why that connects to PB Randolph

1249
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:45,300
and his deep history I suppose in that

1250
00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:46,980
area

1251
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:48,059
sure

1252
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:51,540
yeah Randolph was by all means a

1253
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,900
rosicrucian through and through and he

1254
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,819
with the founding of his organization

1255
00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:00,000
the Third Temple of the rosy cross which

1256
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:02,520
began with the initiation of like 12

1257
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,579
adepts and is not only the oldest

1258
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:07,920
Rose cross secret society in the United

1259
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:11,280
States but it is also what is known as

1260
00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:14,579
the Brotherhood of light and I spoke to

1261
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:16,859
the juxtaposing

1262
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:19,260
Brethren let's say a Brethren of the

1263
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,180
shadows as they're known and dark adepts

1264
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:22,800
of Arden Delaware and Rose Valley

1265
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,359
Pennsylvania

1266
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:26,880
and these two organizations are

1267
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:29,700
completely on the opposite spectrums

1268
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:32,940
of this quote-unquote battle between

1269
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:36,480
good and evil and Mark passio

1270
00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:39,420
can affirm my claims that only workers

1271
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:41,099
of light are involved with the

1272
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:43,260
organization in the order PB Randolph

1273
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:45,300
started in Pennsylvania

1274
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:48,300
now every Ying has to have sort of a

1275
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:50,280
Yang even in the quote unquote

1276
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:52,740
Illuminati which is sort of a catch-all

1277
00:54:59,210 --> 00:54:57,119
term for these illuminous and after my

1278
00:55:02,270 --> 00:54:59,220
trips to Rose Valley and Arden Delaware

1279
00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:02,280
to delve into this super deeply I found

1280
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:04,140
that the darkness

1281
00:55:08,809 --> 00:55:06,420
was very real but I also found that the

1282
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,819
light was very real and

1283
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,520
Mark as I mentioned and myself

1284
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,160
no members of this group

1285
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:17,520
these light working illuminous and I can

1286
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:20,280
verify that they are sort of the tip of

1287
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:23,460
the spear fighting against the dark side

1288
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,000
of the quote-unquote Illuminati and the

1289
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,640
late Bill Cooper believed without a

1290
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,640
doubt that this group was the most

1291
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,500
powerful in the United States from a

1292
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:37,200
magical perspective but although Bill

1293
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,780
always seemed to believe that absolute

1294
00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:41,760
power corrupted absolutely I'm not

1295
00:55:48,049 --> 00:55:45,059
entirely sure it is

1296
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,059
true that there would probably be no

1297
00:55:52,609 --> 00:55:50,160
escaping the eventual Blasphemous truth

1298
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,619
of the Gnostic theory of the demiurge

1299
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:54,480
eventually because that's very common

1300
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:55,740
but again

1301
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:58,260
as I said I'm not so sure a powerful

1302
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,300
omnipotent being wouldn't be able to

1303
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:02,160
fulfill the job description that they're

1304
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:04,859
built for I don't know not my place to

1305
00:56:09,010 --> 00:56:06,300
say either way

1306
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:09,020
Randolph's Rose secretion rates began in

1307
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:12,660
1852 he began His official order with 12

1308
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:14,040
adepts

1309
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:16,500
with the first ground Lodge founded in

1310
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:18,900
August of 1857 known as the August

1311
00:56:24,049 --> 00:56:22,020
fraternity and the great spiritual

1312
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:24,059
philosophical systems that the rose

1313
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:27,240
secretions have used ever since Germany

1314
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:29,880
and ancient Greece and before that Egypt

1315
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,579
they preach of these cataclysms that

1316
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:35,280
destroy previous civilizations such as

1317
00:56:40,609 --> 00:56:39,599
Noah's flood and Randolph believed that

1318
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:40,619
the

1319
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:46,559
were one thing but he also believed it

1320
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:48,300
was a fact that there was an oscillating

1321
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,480
motion so kind of going back to the U.N

1322
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:53,040
of base and that there were other

1323
00:56:57,549 --> 00:56:55,740
movements taking place and this living

1324
00:57:02,410 --> 00:56:57,559
being called the planet

1325
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,420
and basically Randolph started something

1326
00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:05,040
he started something very interesting

1327
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:07,160
way ahead of his time

1328
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:11,220
he traveled all over Europe and the

1329
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:12,480
Middle East

1330
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:15,780
turkey searching for these adepts of

1331
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:19,440
different magical sorts to try to gather

1332
00:57:25,609 --> 00:57:22,920
his own description of what it meant to

1333
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:25,619
be a magician or a sorcerer

1334
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:29,280
and he picked up a lot of masterful

1335
00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:31,380
things

1336
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,200
his mom apparently married one of the

1337
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:36,240
famous Randolph's fairly Elite for the

1338
00:57:39,049 --> 00:57:37,079
time

1339
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,059
and this was a guy that sort of

1340
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,520
abandoned the family PB Randolph's

1341
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:43,500
father took no role in raising him

1342
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:45,240
abandoned him to the streets in New York

1343
00:57:51,770 --> 00:57:48,900
so even though he kind of came from this

1344
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:51,780
finer cloth he didn't get any of the

1345
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,980
perks

1346
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:54,480
and

1347
00:58:02,270 --> 00:57:59,400
father's death by purely Clairvoyant

1348
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:02,280
means but as a child Randolph lost his

1349
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:04,500
mother during the cholera epidemic of

1350
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:06,900
1831 32

1351
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:09,420
he would spend nights on the street

1352
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:12,359
basically as a beggar found a place

1353
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:14,339
called Bellevue Hospital where he was

1354
00:58:20,809 --> 00:58:17,700
taken and he spent quite a while in the

1355
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:20,819
stone building on Manhattan Island as

1356
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,359
you know a very sad youth so he had a

1357
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:26,700
lot of pain in his life early on and I

1358
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:29,819
think this is where he sort of kindled

1359
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:32,700
this fire within him to go and find out

1360
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:35,220
all of the Mysteries of the world and

1361
00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:39,420
become more than what he believed he was

1362
00:58:45,170 --> 00:58:43,079
and he was put to work really young you

1363
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:45,180
know going door-to-door soliciting items

1364
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:48,299
for sale he picked up kind of being a

1365
00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:50,339
master of marketing and self-promotion

1366
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,160
which came pretty handy later in life

1367
00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:55,920
when he took to traveling and being in

1368
00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:57,480
the circles of these Mystics and

1369
00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:59,940
mesmerists he would go to France and

1370
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:01,260
performed

1371
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:05,040
before Napoleon III and even though the

1372
00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:07,559
term sex magician has a very negative

1373
00:59:11,329 --> 00:59:09,480
connotation I think mostly due to

1374
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:11,339
Aleister Crowley's abuse of this term

1375
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,260
and his quest to detach from his

1376
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,640
guardian angel

1377
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,040
which is a whole other story I believe

1378
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:19,680
Randolph's medical views on sex healing

1379
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:22,799
were sort of part of his Universal views

1380
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:25,559
and theories of spiritualism and magic

1381
00:59:31,069 --> 00:59:28,140
of vital human energies I mean

1382
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:31,079
realistically that's the closest

1383
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:36,599
that people become to being a God is or

1384
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:39,119
a Creator is to be able to create life

1385
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:42,599
it's such a magical thing I think he saw

1386
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,420
that and even though he practiced all

1387
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:48,000
kinds of medicine and used magic

1388
00:59:54,170 --> 00:59:51,599
crystals and scrying mirrors

1389
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:54,180
he always sort of in the background

1390
01:00:01,730 --> 00:59:57,720
believed in this energy between male and

1391
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:01,740
female energy being able to upload

1392
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:04,440
a higher mystical experience

1393
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:07,260
hmm yeah I've done a couple of shows

1394
01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:09,480
recently that have pretty much convinced

1395
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:11,819
me the big secret is

1396
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:15,180
using the energy of sex for Magical

1397
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,400
purposes and

1398
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:19,200
just to cruise through some of the

1399
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:21,720
things that you told me about Randolph

1400
01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:24,660
or that I learned preparing for this

1401
01:00:30,049 --> 01:00:27,299
you said Bill Cooper was convinced that

1402
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,059
this Rose of Christian order founded in

1403
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,000
the U.S by Randolph in 1856 was the most

1404
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:35,520
powerful hidden group in the U.S and

1405
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:37,079
that's kind of what sets you on your

1406
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:38,160
Trail

1407
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,780
he was married to a Native American

1408
01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:42,240
named Mary Jane some think that's where

1409
01:00:46,849 --> 01:00:44,280
the association started I liked that

1410
01:00:49,069 --> 01:00:46,859
little anecdote you said Abraham Lincoln

1411
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:49,079
Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine were

1412
01:00:56,530 --> 01:00:52,200
all members and I also learned that he

1413
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:56,540
used a cannabis preparation called

1414
01:01:02,270 --> 01:00:59,880
dawamesh aka the medicine of immortality

1415
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,280
for occult powers like scrying with

1416
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:04,440
magic mirrors and that's interesting I

1417
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:06,839
wonder what makes up that specific

1418
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:10,980
cannabis preparation but regardless I

1419
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,780
have to squeeze this in here to the

1420
01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:14,880
first hour I can't really leave it where

1421
01:01:18,829 --> 01:01:16,619
we are because otherwise I'm just going

1422
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,839
to get raked over the coals but I

1423
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:21,359
obviously have a little skepticism when

1424
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,619
you say

1425
01:01:26,569 --> 01:01:24,480
you know there's the Dark Side of things

1426
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:26,579
and then there's the light side not that

1427
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:28,500
I don't think that there are light

1428
01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:30,780
magicians but I just don't know how well

1429
01:01:36,349 --> 01:01:34,619
organized they are and I don't know if

1430
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:36,359
they really have any power in today's

1431
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:39,180
world because I would ask to see the

1432
01:01:45,049 --> 01:01:41,940
evidence of their light work because no

1433
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:45,059
human sacrifice or child trafficking

1434
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:48,299
seems to get exposed they don't go and

1435
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:51,000
smash the ovens of Arden Delaware

1436
01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:53,700
corruption has run amok Society has

1437
01:01:59,329 --> 01:01:56,700
fallen apart where is the evidence of

1438
01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:59,339
light work or a counterbalance to the

1439
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:01,380
dark side

1440
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:06,000
that's a great question and you know

1441
01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:09,839
Randolph joined various secret societies

1442
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:12,420
before starting his own and he came

1443
01:02:16,609 --> 01:02:14,460
across a lot of individuals in Europe

1444
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:16,619
that at this point in time seems

1445
01:02:22,430 --> 01:02:18,900
unbelievable you know other magicians

1446
01:02:25,609 --> 01:02:22,440
it's rumored he came across ulifis Levy

1447
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:25,619
walking the streets of Paris many many

1448
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:29,640
rumors obviously which are too big to

1449
01:02:35,089 --> 01:02:33,299
imagine aside from very you know little

1450
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:35,099
proof of this we have many verbal

1451
01:02:40,609 --> 01:02:37,740
accounts of him meeting these people

1452
01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:40,619
kind of secretive in themselves because

1453
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:42,119
a lot of these orders were not really

1454
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,280
readily accepted at the time

1455
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:46,799
and one thing that isn't a secret is the

1456
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:48,839
fact that Randolph gave performances and

1457
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:51,240
never disappointed so he would do these

1458
01:02:55,309 --> 01:02:53,700
exhibitions these public affairs

1459
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:55,319
sometimes they were performed in private

1460
01:02:59,450 --> 01:02:56,640
residences

1461
01:03:01,490 --> 01:02:59,460
people would claim to see multitudes of

1462
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:01,500
lights around him and he would often

1463
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,640
produce

1464
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:04,980
credible materializations and sometimes

1465
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,140
human forms different Misty forms

1466
01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:09,599
walking the audience streaks of light

1467
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,640
and many other spectacles that could not

1468
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:14,400
be explained but no one ever got this

1469
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,740
dark feeling about it and on his travels

1470
01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:19,200
he visited many countries obviously in

1471
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,920
order to create this mastership of this

1472
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,440
magical craft

1473
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:26,880
one

1474
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:30,000
path that is interesting is there's the

1475
01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:31,740
left-hand path that many magicians and

1476
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,140
people looking into this come across and

1477
01:03:38,450 --> 01:03:36,480
So my answer to that is if there is a

1478
01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:38,460
left hand path then there obviously must

1479
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,880
be a right hand path and I'm glad that

1480
01:03:46,849 --> 01:03:43,680
you mentioned the

1481
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:46,859
don't mesh which is you know that

1482
01:03:52,010 --> 01:03:49,140
medicine of immortality

1483
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,020
which is primarily hashish

1484
01:03:57,410 --> 01:03:54,480
hashish was highly regarded by Randolph

1485
01:04:01,370 --> 01:03:57,420
and he wrote that hashish perfectly

1486
01:04:04,370 --> 01:04:01,380
illuminated him but the lucidity

1487
01:04:06,410 --> 01:04:04,380
with the high for example infinitely

1488
01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:06,420
exceeded anything he'd ever known before

1489
01:04:11,329 --> 01:04:08,520
even in trance state with no loss of

1490
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:11,339
will or self-consciousness so I think he

1491
01:04:16,609 --> 01:04:13,980
utilized that and I happen to know the

1492
01:04:19,069 --> 01:04:16,619
magical recipe you asked for and that

1493
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,079
magical recipe for this

1494
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,359
Don't Mess which is translated from

1495
01:04:27,549 --> 01:04:24,240
Arabic into the medicine of immortality

1496
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:27,559
it's 300 grams of hashish

1497
01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:31,920
250 grams of opium 50 grams of henbane

1498
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:36,420
and 20 grams of Belladonna but

1499
01:04:41,569 --> 01:04:39,660
I digress the big thing is Randolph said

1500
01:04:44,089 --> 01:04:41,579
he had been searching for years to find

1501
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:44,099
what he called the real secret of the

1502
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:46,440
wisdom tradition so Alchemists

1503
01:04:54,010 --> 01:04:49,380
hermeticists Mystics the Illuminati

1504
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:54,020
quote unquote of all ages had basically

1505
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:58,920
used hashish or any of its family to

1506
01:05:03,170 --> 01:05:00,960
liberate the imagination

1507
01:05:06,049 --> 01:05:03,180
while reaching for what they called the

1508
01:05:08,930 --> 01:05:06,059
Philosopher's Stone and Randolph was

1509
01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:08,940
enthusiastic and believed

1510
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:11,400
this was part of the tree of life and

1511
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:14,400
was a proponent of hashishus and the

1512
01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:17,460
largest importer not only before the

1513
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:20,040
Civil War but I think in that book you

1514
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:22,440
quoted Mahia sekswalis

1515
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:25,280
which was written with Maria neglauska

1516
01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:28,079
he gives this formula and this recipe

1517
01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:30,359
for this ointment that you mentioned to

1518
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:33,000
produce Visions to use with magic

1519
01:05:39,609 --> 01:05:36,900
scrying mirrors and he believed that

1520
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:39,619
this was sort of the key to unlock

1521
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:41,819
Consciousness and put it in a realm

1522
01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:44,760
where it could more easily connect

1523
01:05:49,730 --> 01:05:46,140
hmm

1524
01:05:52,130 --> 01:05:49,740
I love it very impressive that you knew

1525
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:52,140
the recipe off the top of your head but

1526
01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:54,780
this has been a lot of fun it was great

1527
01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:57,420
talking to you again this is probably

1528
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,920
really interesting to long time

1529
01:06:03,470 --> 01:06:01,200
listeners who got several unexpected

1530
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,480
updates on the work of previous guests

1531
01:06:07,789 --> 01:06:05,520
and I appreciate that give the people

1532
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:07,799
your links and if you have any new

1533
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:09,839
avenues of study in the future let us

1534
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,680
know what you're going to be looking

1535
01:06:16,730 --> 01:06:13,200
into you bet thanks for having me on

1536
01:06:19,849 --> 01:06:16,740
Greg I'm pretty easy to find hero

1537
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:19,859
paranormal is my podcast a very small

1538
01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:22,920
podcast just things that interest me you

1539
01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:25,260
can find that at heroparanormal.com or

1540
01:06:29,450 --> 01:06:27,420
hero paranormal on YouTube as long as

1541
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,460
they allow me to be there which seems

1542
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:31,680
like that's getting walking on thin ice

1543
01:06:38,049 --> 01:06:35,039
there and you can also check on the base

1544
01:06:40,370 --> 01:06:38,059
camp space Wolf research that's at

1545
01:06:42,529 --> 01:06:40,380
spacewolfresearch.com you can also

1546
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:42,539
follow both of those on social media

1547
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:45,000
they're on Facebook

1548
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:46,400
Etc Instagram

1549
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:49,920
and I think uh yeah that's about it

1550
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,079
awesome well you are one of the good

1551
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:54,720
ones man keep digging and take care

1552
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:01,430
and boom goes the dynamite kicking off

1553
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:03,660
December with a trip back to the old

1554
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:06,299
skin walker ranch with exactly the right

1555
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:07,680
guy to do it

1556
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:10,559
as I mentioned Ryan and I have kind of

1557
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:13,440
stayed in touch from time to time and he

1558
01:07:18,829 --> 01:07:16,740
sent over leads on a few people that did

1559
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:18,839
become THC guests

1560
01:07:24,770 --> 01:07:21,780
of them I think Ryan Musgrave Evans

1561
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,780
talking about these beans being crypto

1562
01:07:30,049 --> 01:07:27,200
terrestrials with high technology

1563
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:30,059
managing the ancient Earth farm and

1564
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:32,760
their free range cornfed human livestock

1565
01:07:37,549 --> 01:07:34,920
was my favorite

1566
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,559
his book children of Orion was a good

1567
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:39,839
read with some very unique takes in a

1568
01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:42,000
crowded space of yeah we've heard that

1569
01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:45,000
before so I appreciated it a lot

1570
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,859
add in the fact that when I would ask

1571
01:07:50,990 --> 01:07:48,240
him well how could you know such

1572
01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:51,000
detailed stuff his reply is well they

1573
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:52,980
come to me I have my own experiences

1574
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:56,819
with them I am a contactee I thought it

1575
01:08:00,829 --> 01:07:59,039
became even more compelling

1576
01:08:02,809 --> 01:08:00,839
but then there were also a few people

1577
01:08:04,750 --> 01:08:02,819
that Ryan had interviewed on hero

1578
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:04,760
paranormal that I thought well

1579
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:07,440
interesting but maybe we don't do a full

1580
01:08:12,349 --> 01:08:10,200
two hours with each of them instead

1581
01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:12,359
maybe I just get Ryan back and we talk

1582
01:08:16,729 --> 01:08:14,579
about them in an interview with him

1583
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:16,739
along with some updates from the

1584
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:19,739
property and his latest thoughts on what

1585
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:21,660
we might be calling the skinwalker

1586
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:24,120
trickster now I know there's a lot of

1587
01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:26,100
conversation about it it is a weird

1588
01:08:30,530 --> 01:08:28,199
place no doubt

1589
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,540
if you have gotten a chance to pick up

1590
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:33,359
Dr Greg Little's last book with Andrew

1591
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:34,400
Collins

1592
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:37,380
origins of the Gods there is

1593
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:39,719
a photo in there in Andrew Collins

1594
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:41,940
section that he took himself at

1595
01:08:46,970 --> 01:08:44,880
Skinwalker Ranch of something in the sky

1596
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:46,980
and it's compelling and I do believe

1597
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:49,739
that there's enough going on there that

1598
01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:52,319
a researcher could go out for a week and

1599
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:55,380
capture something pretty extraordinary

1600
01:09:01,309 --> 01:08:58,080
but I did try to press Ryan a bit more

1601
01:09:02,450 --> 01:09:01,319
for details and I think he gave us some

1602
01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:02,460
good stuff

1603
01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:04,380
as I sort of mentioned we were really

1604
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:06,839
going to focus this episode around PB

1605
01:09:12,169 --> 01:09:09,960
Randolph but we got to talking and that

1606
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:12,179
content almost didn't make it into the

1607
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:13,799
first hour at all

1608
01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:16,560
sometimes I think two hours is really a

1609
01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:18,179
long time it's basically a

1610
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:19,799
feature-length movie

1611
01:09:24,829 --> 01:09:22,380
and I wonder if maybe I'm asking too

1612
01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:24,839
much of the guests or even asking too

1613
01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:27,480
much of listeners to care about one

1614
01:09:32,809 --> 01:09:29,580
interview that's two hours long

1615
01:09:35,150 --> 01:09:32,819
but then when I'm recording them I

1616
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:35,160
usually think the time flies

1617
01:09:38,749 --> 01:09:36,900
and it's hard to believe that the vast

1618
01:09:41,570 --> 01:09:38,759
majority of listeners are only getting

1619
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:41,580
the first hour not trying to segue right

1620
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:43,980
into the sales pitch but days like today

1621
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:45,960
really do feel like we were just getting

1622
01:09:50,329 --> 01:09:48,060
started 60 Minutes in

1623
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,339
and we're here so I guess I'll just do

1624
01:09:55,310 --> 01:09:52,319
that part of the thing now in the second

1625
01:09:58,189 --> 01:09:55,320
hour we got into digging deeper on the

1626
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:58,199
light workers premise of course Ryan

1627
01:10:02,270 --> 01:10:00,300
said if there's a left-hand path then

1628
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:02,280
there must be a right hand path and I

1629
01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:04,860
don't disagree that there is a path I'm

1630
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,020
just not convinced there are very many

1631
01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:10,080
organized groups walking it when it

1632
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:12,179
comes to something like the white hats

1633
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:15,719
or a secret society that's keeping the

1634
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:17,880
bad guys from destroying the world

1635
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:19,860
obviously I know there are positive

1636
01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:22,800
applications of magic we talk about it

1637
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,060
all the time

1638
01:10:28,729 --> 01:10:27,360
but when it comes to light workers my

1639
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:28,739
thought is just that maybe they aren't

1640
01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:31,860
so organized I think of them as more of

1641
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:33,900
a decentralized network of people

1642
01:10:38,450 --> 01:10:36,840
working on their own energy Fields the

1643
01:10:39,470 --> 01:10:38,460
Frodo Baggins thing that Gordon would

1644
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,480
talk about

1645
01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:42,239
just making the most positive ripples in

1646
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:44,580
the world and even simple things can end

1647
01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:47,940
up having like this Butterfly Effect

1648
01:10:53,330 --> 01:10:51,060
that amplifies more positivity into the

1649
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:53,340
world and that makes it harder for the

1650
01:10:57,770 --> 01:10:55,739
Capstone cabal to do its job

1651
01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:57,780
but Ryan made some interesting points

1652
01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:01,140
about potentially high-level people who

1653
01:11:07,209 --> 01:11:03,179
seem like they might be bad guys on the

1654
01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:07,219
surface but in secret might be actually

1655
01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:10,260
pumping the brakes on Elite agendas in

1656
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:12,300
some way in their own way you know we've

1657
01:11:18,649 --> 01:11:14,940
seen that character type in certain

1658
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,659
films where they seem like a soldier or

1659
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,880
a good lieutenant and then they just

1660
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,080
turn

1661
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:24,719
at the right time and they help the hero

1662
01:11:28,010 --> 01:11:26,820
and the hero really needed a person in

1663
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,020
that position

1664
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:30,000
and I think that's an archetype that

1665
01:11:34,189 --> 01:11:31,679
isn't just from Hollywood I think it

1666
01:11:36,290 --> 01:11:34,199
exists in the real world even when

1667
01:11:38,030 --> 01:11:36,300
people just have a crisis of

1668
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:38,040
Consciousness in a particular moment

1669
01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:39,540
maybe they didn't even wake up thinking

1670
01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:41,340
they were going to help a good guy

1671
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:44,040
I just think the universe kind of breaks

1672
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:46,860
good and sometimes people even bad

1673
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,840
people are inspired to goodness in

1674
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,640
moments and you never really know what's

1675
01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:53,040
in someone's heart either

1676
01:12:00,290 --> 01:11:56,340
and all that said I do just kind of

1677
01:12:04,729 --> 01:12:00,300
wince when we talk about an organized

1678
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:04,739
Shadow group that is working against the

1679
01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:06,420
elite it's just one of those savior

1680
01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:09,780
motifs that I would rather avoid

1681
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:12,060
because I just don't know I guess

1682
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,040
and that part was interesting but we

1683
01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:17,280
also got into screen mirrors sacrifice

1684
01:12:21,530 --> 01:12:20,460
and the skinwalker entity space as an

1685
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:21,540
altar

1686
01:12:25,130 --> 01:12:23,820
some other researchers that Ryan has

1687
01:12:27,290 --> 01:12:25,140
interviewed who have connected

1688
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:27,300
Skinwalker Ranch to the hollow Earth you

1689
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:29,280
know I like that and then probably the

1690
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:31,199
most compelling thing we talked about

1691
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:33,420
was the blue dirt it's kind of like the

1692
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:34,860
black goo but it's a whole different

1693
01:12:39,950 --> 01:12:38,159
thing and maybe it activates ships and

1694
01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:39,960
maybe there's some alchemy involved but

1695
01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:41,820
the blue dirt was

1696
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:44,820
something I've yet to hear anywhere else

1697
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:47,340
Ryan also gave us another

1698
01:12:52,430 --> 01:12:49,380
example of where we might have seen

1699
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,440
Robert guffey's camellio Tech

1700
01:12:58,729 --> 01:12:55,080
and we talked about the prospect of

1701
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:58,739
weaponizing paranormal phenomenon or the

1702
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,840
effects of some of those things

1703
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:02,880
we talked about Ryan's thoughts on

1704
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:05,820
Brandon Fogel Fogle foogel Fogle I don't

1705
01:13:09,770 --> 01:13:06,780
know

1706
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,780
to name I read quite often

1707
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:11,520
but I haven't seen the show or anything

1708
01:13:16,430 --> 01:13:13,739
so I don't really hear it said but

1709
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:16,440
Ryan's thoughts on this Brandon Fogel

1710
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:19,140
guy and the skinwalker show was a part

1711
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:21,060
of the plus episode

1712
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:23,100
then we got into a weird tangent about

1713
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:25,860
crispr the CIA and the woolly mammoth

1714
01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:28,380
and a little story about remote viewing

1715
01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:30,120
Amelia Earhart

1716
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,219
and spoiler alert for the free listeners

1717
01:13:36,290 --> 01:13:34,560
but apparently she was some sort of spy

1718
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,300
according to these remote viewing

1719
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,640
sessions and it just makes me think

1720
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:41,040
about how we have these people

1721
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,640
whose names match their stories a little

1722
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:46,800
too well like Bernie Madoff making off

1723
01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:49,199
with everybody's money Stephen Paddock

1724
01:13:55,010 --> 01:13:52,520
shooting a bunch of people who were in a

1725
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:55,020
paddock-like situation

1726
01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:57,480
Sam bankman freed who seems like this

1727
01:14:02,030 --> 01:13:59,940
Patsy was placed at FTX when it

1728
01:14:04,669 --> 01:14:02,040
collapsed to be the Fall Guy and then

1729
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:04,679
you have this potential spy Amelia

1730
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:08,520
Earhart who goes missing in the air

1731
01:14:13,790 --> 01:14:10,980
now if a lot of these people were spies

1732
01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:13,800
or Patsy's or connected in some way

1733
01:14:18,290 --> 01:14:15,659
you'd expect them to not be using the

1734
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:18,300
real name and then hence the name

1735
01:14:23,630 --> 01:14:21,000
actually has something with their

1736
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,640
mission or task it's it's an odd world

1737
01:14:28,490 --> 01:14:26,400
you know but the plush show had a lot to

1738
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:28,500
like do yourself a favor if you're

1739
01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:30,780
listening to THC just get the full

1740
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:33,540
episode start with the seven day free

1741
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,820
trial plug the RSS feed right into

1742
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:37,920
whatever app you use to listen and get

1743
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:41,280
in the game we keep it ad in sponsorship

1744
01:14:45,709 --> 01:14:43,140
free for a reason

1745
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,719
a man's got to make money but I think I

1746
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:47,280
want to do this for the people who

1747
01:14:52,689 --> 01:14:49,980
appreciate it and get my income that way

1748
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:52,699
have you heard about this

1749
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:56,400
established titles scandal it's all the

1750
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:57,840
rage for the people who do listen to

1751
01:15:03,169 --> 01:14:59,880
other podcasts not to go on a huge

1752
01:15:05,870 --> 01:15:03,179
tangent but this company established

1753
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:05,880
titles has been saying that you can buy

1754
01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:08,760
a little square plot of land in Scotland

1755
01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:09,900
and then

1756
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:12,060
because of the Scottish custom you can

1757
01:15:16,669 --> 01:15:15,540
then use the title Lord or lady in your

1758
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:16,679
name

1759
01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:18,900
well this company came on the scene and

1760
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:20,699
did ads with so many different

1761
01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:24,239
podcasters Ben Shapiro Logan Paul

1762
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,239
several other ones I heard this ad

1763
01:15:32,330 --> 01:15:30,239
everywhere and it turns out to be a

1764
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:32,340
complete sham company

1765
01:15:37,970 --> 01:15:34,500
you're giving them money for a piece of

1766
01:15:39,950 --> 01:15:37,980
paper there is no land and the Scottish

1767
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:39,960
government actually said when there was

1768
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:42,900
inquiries that no this does not qualify

1769
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,300
for our custom of being a lord or a lady

1770
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:46,320
so

1771
01:15:51,229 --> 01:15:48,719
it's a silly company it's kind of

1772
01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:51,239
harmless but they're definitely lying

1773
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:52,980
about what the product is and so many

1774
01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:55,199
podcasters just read the ad because who

1775
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,780
cares and there might be examples that

1776
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:00,000
aren't so innocent how many of these

1777
01:16:05,209 --> 01:16:02,820
podcasts talk about supplements or even

1778
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:05,219
sell blue shoes yeah it's all funny

1779
01:16:10,189 --> 01:16:07,140
let's sell the dick pill because then I

1780
01:16:12,890 --> 01:16:10,199
can make a few low brow jokes about it

1781
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:12,900
these podcasters in a lot of cases are

1782
01:16:18,890 --> 01:16:16,800
cashing in the trust you have in them to

1783
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:18,900
sell products they don't know anything

1784
01:16:22,010 --> 01:16:20,340
about

1785
01:16:23,870 --> 01:16:22,020
and I hope they're proud of themselves

1786
01:16:26,330 --> 01:16:23,880
but we're going to see more and more of

1787
01:16:28,490 --> 01:16:26,340
that kind of thing as time goes on and I

1788
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,500
am just happy to

1789
01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:30,719
have never gone down that road I get

1790
01:16:34,669 --> 01:16:32,760
offers all the time hey based on your

1791
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:34,679
listenership we think you could make x

1792
01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:37,440
amount by promoting this product it's

1793
01:16:41,209 --> 01:16:39,239
like I don't do that

1794
01:16:43,010 --> 01:16:41,219
you know some people cast a lot of shade

1795
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,020
about oh this guy he's just trying to

1796
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,880
make money he puts half of his content

1797
01:16:48,890 --> 01:16:47,040
behind a paywall but I think it's better

1798
01:16:51,169 --> 01:16:48,900
than the alternative and we all have to

1799
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,179
have a job of some kind so this is my

1800
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:53,280
job I built it myself this is how I do

1801
01:17:00,770 --> 01:16:54,120
it

1802
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:00,780
podcasts are supposed to be free but we

1803
01:17:05,810 --> 01:17:03,600
burn eight bucks in all sorts of ways

1804
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:05,820
we tip a waitress eight bucks for a

1805
01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:07,140
single meal

1806
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:08,820
and I'm saying you give me an eight

1807
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:10,739
dollar tip and you get twice as much

1808
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:16,790
I didn't really mean to spin it or go

1809
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:19,980
off on this weird tangent but when these

1810
01:17:26,209 --> 01:17:23,280
scam companies pop up in podcasting I

1811
01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:26,219
just have to mention it as a sort of pat

1812
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:28,440
on the back to the way I do things and

1813
01:17:32,330 --> 01:17:29,940
why I do it this way

1814
01:17:34,610 --> 01:17:32,340
but anyway getting back to the content

1815
01:17:37,310 --> 01:17:34,620
here for the real ogs I think it was fun

1816
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:37,320
to have some of the material in this

1817
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:39,239
episode bump up against some old

1818
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:41,580
classics like the show with Jay Parker

1819
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,100
or the one with Robert Guffey the stuff

1820
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,800
about Bigelow's big pivot made me start

1821
01:17:52,189 --> 01:17:48,960
to wonder if Bigelow Consciousness

1822
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,199
studies could be code for Magic

1823
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:54,719
Consciousness studies sounds a lot more

1824
01:17:58,189 --> 01:17:56,580
broad you're not going to call it occult

1825
01:18:01,970 --> 01:17:58,199
studies or

1826
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:01,980
ritual investigations but if you know

1827
01:18:06,590 --> 01:18:04,260
about magic the wink wink nod nod is

1828
01:18:09,050 --> 01:18:06,600
that Consciousness clearly plays a role

1829
01:18:11,570 --> 01:18:09,060
and might be a key part of the

1830
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,580
mechanisms behind it so I could see that

1831
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:12,719
being true

1832
01:18:17,689 --> 01:18:14,820
he tried going outward with Bigelow

1833
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,699
Aerospace and now he's going inward baby

1834
01:18:21,229 --> 01:18:19,679
that would make sense to me

1835
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:21,239
but these are some of the Eternal

1836
01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:23,760
Mysteries and I try to make sure we're

1837
01:18:27,890 --> 01:18:26,040
being creative and coming at them from

1838
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:27,900
different angles when we cover these

1839
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,860
things

1840
01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:31,440
it's hard not to just return to The Well

1841
01:18:35,689 --> 01:18:33,420
of ideas and I don't know how much

1842
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:35,699
closer we get to a solve

1843
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:38,400
but I'm intrigued and so I do try to

1844
01:18:42,350 --> 01:18:40,199
make sure we're not just rehashing the

1845
01:18:44,270 --> 01:18:42,360
same ideas over and over and getting at

1846
01:18:45,770 --> 01:18:44,280
least something fresh and I think today

1847
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,780
qualifies

1848
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,760
you know I've been very big on the

1849
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,920
plasma thing since I first heard about

1850
01:18:54,050 --> 01:18:52,320
it because first when you think about

1851
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:54,060
aliens it's like oh maybe there are

1852
01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:55,860
fairies or some kind of Elemental that's

1853
01:18:59,630 --> 01:18:57,659
always been here great or maybe they're

1854
01:19:01,010 --> 01:18:59,640
spirits and then it's like well what

1855
01:19:04,370 --> 01:19:01,020
does that even mean and then you're like

1856
01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:04,380
maybe Plasma's involved maybe that's why

1857
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,260
Eric dollar created one in the lab maybe

1858
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:10,080
it's a portal maybe it's a vehicle of

1859
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:12,239
some kind maybe that's why these ships

1860
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:15,840
people see in the sky are always covered

1861
01:19:22,669 --> 01:19:18,719
in these crazy bright lights and doing

1862
01:19:24,649 --> 01:19:22,679
these crazy Christmas light ask patterns

1863
01:19:26,930 --> 01:19:24,659
with their lighting

1864
01:19:27,709 --> 01:19:26,940
maybe you're seeing the plasma I don't

1865
01:19:30,110 --> 01:19:27,719
know

1866
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,120
but I will forever enjoy mulling this

1867
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,640
stuff over so big thanks to Ryan and

1868
01:19:36,410 --> 01:19:34,560
congrats to him on getting space Wolf

1869
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:36,420
research off the ground

1870
01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:38,520
if this kind of episode is your jam

1871
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:41,100
Ryan's on this thread week after week on

1872
01:19:46,250 --> 01:19:43,739
hero paranormal just so you know

1873
01:19:47,870 --> 01:19:46,260
in higher side news not a lot to say

1874
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,880
just trying to hang on through this

1875
01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:49,440
holiday season

1876
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,140
we have had several guests in previous

1877
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:54,719
months talk about supply chain issues

1878
01:20:00,050 --> 01:19:57,600
and food shortages and a big collapse

1879
01:20:02,090 --> 01:20:00,060
and things are certainly fragile and

1880
01:20:04,729 --> 01:20:02,100
shaky out there

1881
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:04,739
but I think all things considered we are

1882
01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:06,420
chugging along

1883
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:08,460
I get that feeling a lot though it's not

1884
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,920
that some of our guests are wrong they

1885
01:20:15,410 --> 01:20:12,960
just need to extend their timeline out a

1886
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:15,420
bit more in a lot of cases

1887
01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:18,000
so much of this stuff often moves way

1888
01:20:21,709 --> 01:20:20,100
slower than expected

1889
01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:21,719
so I'm not saying we're through the

1890
01:20:25,490 --> 01:20:23,400
woods but I'm certainly not going to

1891
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:25,500
complain that Society hasn't collapsed

1892
01:20:29,930 --> 01:20:27,480
as predicted right

1893
01:20:32,090 --> 01:20:29,940
screws are tighter than usual for a lot

1894
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:32,100
of people I won't deny that cracks are

1895
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:33,600
certainly showing but it's not

1896
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:36,900
full-blown broken yet and I'll take it

1897
01:20:41,149 --> 01:20:39,060
let's check that calendar if you're

1898
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,159
feeling a bit down this December if

1899
01:20:45,649 --> 01:20:43,440
you'd like to change your situation and

1900
01:20:48,770 --> 01:20:45,659
Shuffle up your friend group either make

1901
01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:48,780
a THC event or show up to one near you

1902
01:20:52,130 --> 01:20:50,580
here's what we got going on for the rest

1903
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,140
of the year

1904
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,719
December 8th we got the LA truth Meetup

1905
01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:56,159
at flame International Restaurant

1906
01:21:02,090 --> 01:20:59,699
December 10th we got one going on in

1907
01:21:04,370 --> 01:21:02,100
pachogi New York I think it's the Long

1908
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:04,380
Island Bar Crawl okay let's just say

1909
01:21:10,189 --> 01:21:07,500
Long Island also December 10th Grable

1910
01:21:12,770 --> 01:21:10,199
Wyoming at Bob's Diner also December

1911
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:12,780
10th Vancouver Washington

1912
01:21:19,550 --> 01:21:16,020
going to Shanahan's Pub and Grill

1913
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:19,560
also December 10th the anti-vaxmist 2 at

1914
01:21:24,649 --> 01:21:21,540
Gilligan's Irish pub in Glendale

1915
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:24,659
California December 11th Asheville North

1916
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:28,020
Carolina December 17th Fayetteville New

1917
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:31,260
York and I think that does it the rest

1918
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:33,540
look like they're popping off in January

1919
01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:35,400
so consider it

1920
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,100
it's as simple as going to

1921
01:21:41,209 --> 01:21:39,120
highersidemeetups.com making a quick

1922
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:41,219
account and adding your event to the mix

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nobody should feel lonely in the holiday

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season and this is just one potential

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Avenue for changing your situation if it

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needs changing

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have a good December be good to each

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other and don't let yourself get overly

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black pilled who does that really serve

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you know

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well much love guys thanks for listening

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I've done my part your move invisible

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College secret Keepers plasma beans of

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the landscape and desert tricksters at

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the Unita Basin your from space

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it was falling it's lights

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[Music]

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looking up it showed me all the hidden

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stuff and now I'm all enlightened and

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masses is hard silver ships are coming

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your fire

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[Music]

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to go when you see the sausage

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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what you want it again

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and that is another show complete

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remember as much as you enjoyed this

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which is just the free first hour I hope

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you'll become a plus member to hear the

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full two-hour interviews you also can

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engage with other Plus members in the

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comments and the forums and you'll find

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your answer to one of the most common

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questions I get which is where can I

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find those cover songs that you use at

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the end of the show well they are free

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downloads for Plus members too and

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without Plus members I can't hire the

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occasional musician to bring these odd

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cover song ideas to fruition Plus

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members are how I'm able to do what I do

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without ads and without the big machine

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being on my back we can fit so much more

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into a two-hour interview and I do my

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best to make it worth your time and

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money the conversation only gets deeper

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weirder and more controversial in that

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private hour how could it not the way

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things are going

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but the best way to sign up is at the

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first-time subscribers always get a free

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7-Day trial because I'm just that

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confident there's no PayPal on the

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then sign up through patreon and you get

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but you can also scope out the other

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options like a few various cryptos cash

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or check mail to the PO box and I'll

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even barter with most people if you have

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your own business and produce something

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nice that my wife or kid or taste buds

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might like but the architects of

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consensus reality have made it clear

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that these themes and topics aren't

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really welcome on the main stage and so

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this is how we secure a little Counter

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Culture corner for ourselves and I hope

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you'll join plus because that is the

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only way it works besides you can cancel

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anytime right on your profile page the

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most common concern I hear is people

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just being unsure if THC plus will work

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with their podcast app and the answer is

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probably yes but if not we have several

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high-level app recommendations for

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whatever phone you use and the website

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is made for mobile too we're trained to

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tip a waitress for bringing us a

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sandwich but that tip doesn't give you

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access to a second sandwich really I'm

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not asking for any more than that and I

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think I offer a better service come get

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your second serving of tasty conspiracy

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goodness in exchange for that small

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token of your appreciation beyond that

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let it also be known that we have grown

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and survived as long as we have By Word

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of Mouth I don't care so much about

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social media likes or follows but tell

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the right people about THC and not just

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listeners but the high level figures who

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are better suited to sit down with me

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than most other hosts and if you can

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help me with any of these things I can

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work to bring you better shows which is

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just a a win-win for both of us

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informative entertaining and

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action-packed it also never hurts to

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thank a guest you liked if you have the

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time either we want them to know people

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are listening so they're willing to come

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back down the road too thank you for